one of joe biden's great strengths is his loyalty. he's respected, i think, on both sides of the aisle for one if he tells you something, he's going to do it. he keeps his word. two, the loyalty to the president. so, he gets all the benefits of the good things that obama's done, but he almost gets a pass on the negatives because while he's the vice president, he has to be loyal. so, if hillary clinton for health reasons or otherwise decides not to go, he's going to we, i think, by far the strongest contender. >> do you think he can take on hillary clinton? i want to cover that. i want to cover that, by the way. >> i don't think anybody can take on hillary clinton. right now she is a prezumpative favorite. democrats need joe biden. they need him now because he's the best politician in this town. he understands there are three branches of government and you have to sit down and you have to figure out a deal and he's good at it. we need him later because if hillary clinton does not run, there is no alternative. he is, he then becomes the